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#1 Mar 23, 2018 10:49pm
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NBA Draft 2018?

What positions should we draft this year?
Mar 24, 2018 12:01am
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We need everything.  We need PG, SG, SF, PF, and Center.  So draft best player available.  

 

With that said, you need quality wings to have any chance in this league.

Mar 24, 2018 11:09am
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De'Andre Hunder from Virginia could be the steal of the draft. Anwhere between 12-20.

Mar 24, 2018 11:15am
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But if Mikal Bridges & Trae Young are there. We should get both of these.

Mar 24, 2018 11:16am
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but wait and see what Jerry West does.

Also keep in mind that Kawhi may become available (via trade)

Mar 24, 2018 12:11pm
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V-Ice wrote:

But if Mikal Bridges & Trae Young are there. We should get both of these.

Whether to select trae young or not would be a difficult decision. On the one hand, there are many comparisons to Stephen Curry. Could young follow in those footsteps and be an elite shooter? On the other hand, what happens if that offense doesn't carry over into the NBA? Then what else does Trae bring to the table? I would rather we draft players that are a little more of two-way players rather than one skill that may or may not carry over. Now that is harder to identify, and I must admit that I don't watch enough college level basketball to know who fits that mold
Mar 24, 2018 12:13pm
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^true.

I just like his scoring and shooting ability. And can handle the ball very very well. I don't like his size though.

Mar 24, 2018 1:11pm
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I wouldn't be opposed to Trae at 13. He's still young and would need to be coached hard, but maybe on a better team he would stop taking terrible shots. He does still have good speed and is a great passer, with improvements he could still become a pretty good player. His defense will likely always be a negative. I'd love to get Jaren Jackson if he's still around. Bridges is also good even if he does not have the upside some guys do since he is already a junior, but I can't see him not being at least a plus on both sides of the ball.

Mar 24, 2018 1:53pm
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Bridges has a 7 foot wing span..... I believe.

Mar 24, 2018 2:04pm
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It would be extemely difficult not to take Tre Young if he's available 

Mar 24, 2018 2:23pm
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pro100 wrote:

It would be extemely difficult not to take Tre Young if he's available 

Trae Young has "bust" written all over him. It would be extremely easy for any competent front office to pass on him. Drafting him would be a Doc move for sure: he loves undersized chuckers who can't play defense.

Mar 24, 2018 4:39pm
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VFHS wrote:

pro100 wrote:

It would be extemely difficult not to take Tre Young if he's available 

Trae Young has "bust" written all over him. It would be extremely easy for any competent front office to pass on him. Drafting him would be a Doc move for sure: he loves undersized chuckers who can't play defense.

 

That's an easy position to take right now, he got exposed no doubt but he does things that are hard to teach. He needs some of his bad stuff coached out of him, but he's 19. He's no Curry, but even Curry wasn't doing that at 19

Mar 24, 2018 7:21pm
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I’d draft Young in a heartbeat if somehow available.
Mar 24, 2018 9:01pm
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I don`t get why so many people say we need guards. IMO Milos, Beverley, Rivers and Lou + one or two of Bradley / Thornwell / Wallace are enough and competent. Beverley coming back will be HUGE, he will also improve the likes of Milos (if he stays, which I definitely hope he will). I wouldn`t draft Young, everybody dreams he will be the next Steph Curry, but just because his game is kinda similar doesn`t mean he will be. Steph Curry`s don`t grow on trees, there`s one every few decades maybe.

I`d go with the best player available, no matter his position.

Mar 25, 2018 1:56am
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VFHS wrote:

pro100 wrote:

It would be extemely difficult not to take Tre Young if he's available 

Trae Young has "bust" written all over him. It would be extremely easy for any competent front office to pass on him. Drafting him would be a Doc move for sure: he loves undersized chuckers who can't play defense.

He defintely got exposed in some games this season but he's only 19 and he seems like he's got that gym rat dog in him and wants to improve. He won't be a bust imo. Wether he can become a star player or not is the question. But if his game translates, he improves on defense, and he gets some muscle on him he's got star potiential, hell he could even be box office. A GM and owner would salivate at that thought

 

-People are saying we have too many guards already, its true but if Young were to fall to us... Trade a couple of guards. Let Avery walk, trade or don't pick up Milos extension(if its a team option deal), Trade Austin and come into the new year with Pat Bev, Trey Young, Ty Wallace, Lou, and Evans. 

Mar 25, 2018 6:57am
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Yeah, yeah, I heard the same narrative about Lonzo last year. "He's still young, he'll improve." In reality, he's trash and was always overrated. I see the same thing happening with Young. We need wings, not more undersized chuckers, and there are plenty of better, more polished prospects in the draft than Young. I think it's a moot point anyway, as some dumb team like the Knicks will probably fall for the hype and prevent him from falling to us.
Mar 25, 2018 8:38am
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I would very happily take Lonzo with either of our picks this year. The hate on Lonzo is overblown. He's not the best rookie from last draft, but he's a decent player that most teams would want. If I could get Lonzo with the 13th pick, I would absolutely do that. 

Mar 25, 2018 9:22am
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I just don't know how the player evaluators for the Lakers looked at Lonzo and Tatum and picked Lonzo.

Mar 25, 2018 9:36am
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Lakers' President of Operations goes by the moniker "Magic" and was a flashy passer whose team was nicknamed "Showtime", so the lure of a Lonzo "Big Baller" Ballsack over basic, blue collar kid named "Jason" isn't so tough to gauge. Another win for the Celts in the rivalry though.

Mar 25, 2018 10:26am
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pro100 wrote:

VFHS wrote:

pro100 wrote:

It would be extemely difficult not to take Tre Young if he's available 

Trae Young has "bust" written all over him. It would be extremely easy for any competent front office to pass on him. Drafting him would be a Doc move for sure: he loves undersized chuckers who can't play defense.

He defintely got exposed in some games this season but he's only 19 and he seems like he's got that gym rat dog in him and wants to improve. He won't be a bust imo. Wether he can become a star player or not is the question. But if his game translates, he improves on defense, and he gets some muscle on him he's got star potiential, hell he could even be box office. A GM and owner would salivate at that thought

-People are saying we have too many guards already, its true but if Young were to fall to us... Trade a couple of guards. Let Avery walk, trade or don't pick up Milos extension(if its a team option deal), Trade Austin and come into the new year with Pat Bev, Trey Young, Ty Wallace, Lou, and Evans. 

I apologize in advance for becoming a Milos fanboy on this forum, but I just don`t get why you would see him as expandable. He`s second in +/- after Lou and his advanced stats are great. Even on defense his advanced stats are not that bad (probably his placement + teammates + luck). I think everybody knows about the winning record with and without him on the floor. He is not a classic stats guy, but he has a huge impact on offense. Good luck replicating that at 6M / year.

That`s with him being in his first NBA year, nursing an injury, and not having a 3&D guy like Beverley near him like he was supposed to. I`d re-sign him immediately and build from there.

IMO it`s just stupid to let Milos go for some guys like Wallace or Evans. Trade Milos to make room for Young?? No! Actually, Milos would be a great mentor for the likes of Young.

Anyway I`m just speaking my mind and don`t want to create controversy with anybody, hope we can all have our opinions here.

Mar 25, 2018 10:39am
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Rostick wrote:

I apologize in advance for becoming a Milos fanboy on this forum, but I just don`t get why you would see him as expandable. He`s second in +/- after Lou and his advanced stats are great. Even on defense his advanced stats are not that bad (probably his placement + teammates + luck). I think everybody knows about the winning record with and without him on the floor. He is not a classic stats guy, but he has a huge impact on offense. Good luck replicating that at 6M / year.

That`s with him being in his first NBA year, nursing an injury, and not having a 3&D guy like Beverley near him like he was supposed to. I`d re-sign him immediately and build from there.

IMO it`s just stupid to let Milos go for some guys like Wallace or Evans. Trade Milos to make room for Young?? No! Actually, Milos would be a great mentor for the likes of Young.

Anyway I`m just speaking my mind and don`t want to create controversy with anybody, hope we can all have our opinions here.

 

Keep on posting.  yes

Mar 25, 2018 1:18pm
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Dyce wrote:

I just don't know how the player evaluators for the Lakers looked at Lonzo and Tatum and picked Lonzo.

Lonzo gets them attention and headlines. Tatum doesn't. That's all the Lakers care about anymore.
Mar 25, 2018 1:57pm
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Rostick wrote:

pro100 wrote:

VFHS wrote:

pro100 wrote:

It would be extemely difficult not to take Tre Young if he's available 

Trae Young has "bust" written all over him. It would be extremely easy for any competent front office to pass on him. Drafting him would be a Doc move for sure: he loves undersized chuckers who can't play defense.

He defintely got exposed in some games this season but he's only 19 and he seems like he's got that gym rat dog in him and wants to improve. He won't be a bust imo. Wether he can become a star player or not is the question. But if his game translates, he improves on defense, and he gets some muscle on him he's got star potiential, hell he could even be box office. A GM and owner would salivate at that thought

-People are saying we have too many guards already, its true but if Young were to fall to us... Trade a couple of guards. Let Avery walk, trade or don't pick up Milos extension(if its a team option deal), Trade Austin and come into the new year with Pat Bev, Trey Young, Ty Wallace, Lou, and Evans. 

I apologize in advance for becoming a Milos fanboy on this forum, but I just don`t get why you would see him as expandable. He`s second in +/- after Lou and his advanced stats are great. Even on defense his advanced stats are not that bad (probably his placement + teammates + luck). I think everybody knows about the winning record with and without him on the floor. He is not a classic stats guy, but he has a huge impact on offense. Good luck replicating that at 6M / year.

That`s with him being in his first NBA year, nursing an injury, and not having a 3&D guy like Beverley near him like he was supposed to. I`d re-sign him immediately and build from there.

IMO it`s just stupid to let Milos go for some guys like Wallace or Evans. Trade Milos to make room for Young?? No! Actually, Milos would be a great mentor for the likes of Young.

Anyway I`m just speaking my mind and don`t want to create controversy with anybody, hope we can all have our opinions here.

No controvery dude. Good opinion, but I guess why some are (me included) want to pass on Milos and other guards is this: we lost our two best players in the past year (Griffin and Paul).  In addition, the front office did the best job they could to retool this team in such short notice. The signings of Milos, Gallinari, along with the veteran assets in the Paul trade were a signal that Jerry West had in mind to field a playoff level team. If not for injuries, Jerry's gamble would have paid off. However, it did not, and as an organization we have to ask ourselves this: is another gamble with Milos, Beverley, Williams, Avery and other vets a good gamble? I would think that after one year (along with a detailed history of each player's injury propensity) of this experiment we should be wiser about building with players like Gallinari, Beverley, Avery, etc. We have a center piece that we can build around, Harris (he's young enough for a long tenure here). We got some supporting pieces that can help Harris: Harrell, and Wallace (also young). To boot we have two players that we haven't even begun to develop: Evans and Thornwell (lasy years draft picks). Lastly, we have two upcoming picks, with one of them potentially being as high as 10th and ours also pretty high. 

We already know what another run with the vets we have acquired will bring us: a carousel of players in and out of injury and a 9th or 10th seed standing. If these veteran acquisitions would ahve resulted in even an 8th seed standing and playoff appearance, I would be all for keeping these guys and having another run. You only keep rosters the same when they work, but when they don't better keep making changes till you have the right roster. 

However, with the young pieces we have, it makes sense for us to rebuild. Having all these players on the roster just prevents what is best for us: a rebuild. 

 If these guys would not have had such a bad history with injury, I would definitely say that we should keep Milos, but we gambled with him, Beverley, and Gallinari, and it didn't turn out as planned. We just need a different plan is all. 

Mar 25, 2018 1:59pm
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FWIW, I think it's crazy that people want to go back to watching an undersized point guard dribble all game and get shut down by bigger, longer defenders when it matters. We already know how this ends in the playoffs. Except it would be even worse with Trae, since he has all the downsides of CP0's game without any of the strengths, along with Jamal's shot selection and Austin's defense.

If we want to win anything of note in this league, then - with apologies to Shaq - we need WINGS, ERNEH, WINGS! Not more small no-defense chuckers.

Mar 25, 2018 3:33pm
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pageC4 wrote:

Rostick wrote:

pro100 wrote:

VFHS wrote:

pro100 wrote:

It would be extemely difficult not to take Tre Young if he's available 

Trae Young has "bust" written all over him. It would be extremely easy for any competent front office to pass on him. Drafting him would be a Doc move for sure: he loves undersized chuckers who can't play defense.

He defintely got exposed in some games this season but he's only 19 and he seems like he's got that gym rat dog in him and wants to improve. He won't be a bust imo. Wether he can become a star player or not is the question. But if his game translates, he improves on defense, and he gets some muscle on him he's got star potiential, hell he could even be box office. A GM and owner would salivate at that thought

-People are saying we have too many guards already, its true but if Young were to fall to us... Trade a couple of guards. Let Avery walk, trade or don't pick up Milos extension(if its a team option deal), Trade Austin and come into the new year with Pat Bev, Trey Young, Ty Wallace, Lou, and Evans. 

I apologize in advance for becoming a Milos fanboy on this forum, but I just don`t get why you would see him as expandable. He`s second in +/- after Lou and his advanced stats are great. Even on defense his advanced stats are not that bad (probably his placement + teammates + luck). I think everybody knows about the winning record with and without him on the floor. He is not a classic stats guy, but he has a huge impact on offense. Good luck replicating that at 6M / year.

That`s with him being in his first NBA year, nursing an injury, and not having a 3&D guy like Beverley near him like he was supposed to. I`d re-sign him immediately and build from there.

IMO it`s just stupid to let Milos go for some guys like Wallace or Evans. Trade Milos to make room for Young?? No! Actually, Milos would be a great mentor for the likes of Young.

Anyway I`m just speaking my mind and don`t want to create controversy with anybody, hope we can all have our opinions here.

No controvery dude. Good opinion, but I guess why some are (me included) want to pass on Milos and other guards is this: we lost our two best players in the past year (Griffin and Paul).  In addition, the front office did the best job they could to retool this team in such short notice. The signings of Milos, Gallinari, along with the veteran assets in the Paul trade were a signal that Jerry West had in mind to field a playoff level team. If not for injuries, Jerry's gamble would have paid off. However, it did not, and as an organization we have to ask ourselves this: is another gamble with Milos, Beverley, Williams, Avery and other vets a good gamble? I would think that after one year (along with a detailed history of each player's injury propensity) of this experiment we should be wiser about building with players like Gallinari, Beverley, Avery, etc. We have a center piece that we can build around, Harris (he's young enough for a long tenure here). We got some supporting pieces that can help Harris: Harrell, and Wallace (also young). To boot we have two players that we haven't even begun to develop: Evans and Thornwell (lasy years draft picks). Lastly, we have two upcoming picks, with one of them potentially being as high as 10th and ours also pretty high. 

We already know what another run with the vets we have acquired will bring us: a carousel of players in and out of injury and a 9th or 10th seed standing. If these veteran acquisitions would ahve resulted in even an 8th seed standing and playoff appearance, I would be all for keeping these guys and having another run. You only keep rosters the same when they work, but when they don't better keep making changes till you have the right roster. 

However, with the young pieces we have, it makes sense for us to rebuild. Having all these players on the roster just prevents what is best for us: a rebuild. 

 If these guys would not have had such a bad history with injury, I would definitely say that we should keep Milos, but we gambled with him, Beverley, and Gallinari, and it didn't turn out as planned. We just need a different plan is all. 

 

Fair point, although I disagree. I am of the mindset that it`s better to keep a playoff level roster alive (as long as contracts are ok, which they are), as opposed to breaking it up in the hope that maybe you get to the playoffs or better in 3-4 years. This roster could have been Top 4 in the West if not for injuries. Maybe next year there are no injuries, you reach the 2nd round, keep up the winning culture, get a FA.

Mar 25, 2018 11:00pm
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Injuries happen when you have a lot of old injury prone players. We need to let the vets go. Start from scratch.
Mar 26, 2018 6:04am
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Dyce wrote:
Injuries happen when you have a lot of old injury prone players. We need to let the vets go. Start from scratch.

This year has involved a lot of rookies getting injured. 

Do you not recall Blake missing his first year?

 

Mar 26, 2018 7:02pm
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My point still stands. We knew coming into the season that we had a lot of injury prone players. It's not a surprise that they missed time. We can't go into next season with the same core group and somehow expect different results. This is not a playoff team. We're not one piece away from being contenders.
Mar 26, 2018 7:08pm
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Double post
Mar 26, 2018 7:35pm
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We are a few games out of the 4th seed with all of the injuries. IMO we are as much of a contender now , and better with one added piece, as we’ve been in the past couple of years.
Mar 27, 2018 9:52am
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pussy ass gallo is questionable for game again! LMFAO

this guy was possibly the worst signing ever in clips history

Mar 27, 2018 10:12am
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pussy ass gallo is questionable for game again! LMFAO

this guy was possibly the worst signing ever in clips history

Hmm, maybe. Hard to say though with the likes of Jared Dudley, Baron Davis, in the history books...but yes, Gallinari is showing to be a bad signing
Mar 27, 2018 10:17am
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japkilla wrote:

pussy ass gallo is questionable for game again! LMFAO

this guy was possibly the worst signing ever in clips history

I was going to say Kerry Kittles then reailized he came via trade. As far as free agent signing who spent most of his time injured, you may be right.

Mar 27, 2018 11:30am
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Yaroslav Korolev.

We picked him 12th by the way in the draft. 

 

Mar 27, 2018 11:52am
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We need to spend alot of time this summer trying to trade Gallo. Highly unlikley we can, but I would practically give him way if we got out of the remaining 2 years. My belief is he will hardly play so we might as well try to get a pick or some cap relief by trading him.

Mar 27, 2018 12:09pm
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Dyce wrote:
My point still stands. We knew coming into the season that we had a lot of injury prone players. It's not a surprise that they missed time. We can't go into next season with the same core group and somehow expect different results.

I agree but we corrected that some by trading Blake for Harris/Boban/Bradley.

I still think that if we had those three players instead of Blake from the first day of the season, we would be in a much better position right now in the standings.

Beverley is injury prone, but his contract is cheap and worth keeping.

We gotta find a way to ditch Gallo and Austin, while replacing them with better assets (I do think this is feasible).

We also have two first rounders coming in a deep draft, so that will help too and we could have some major cap space in 2019 as well. We are actually in a pretty decent spot I think.

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Extremely late to this post. But to me, Trae Young reminds me more of Brandon Knight and less of steph curry. he gets a lot of those comparisons because he makes deep shots with hands in his face. His shot is more of a push form like knight. He also mishandles double teams. Not a big fan of him. if we don't engage in any trades with those picks, i would expect kevin knox and or miles bridges to be sought after. I would hope to buy a 2nd rounder or 2 and take a flyer on a couple of guys. Chandler Hutchison, Isaac Bonga, Billy Preston, Tre Duval would all be interesting. Hutchison and Duval may end up being end of the 1st round picks though. 

Mar 27, 2018 2:50pm
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japkilla wrote:

pussy ass gallo is questionable for game again! LMFAO

this guy was possibly the worst signing ever in clips history

With the way our training/medical staff operates, I'm just waiting to hear that there's been a setback and Gallo is out for the rest of the season.
Mar 28, 2018 12:49pm
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VFHS wrote:
japkilla wrote:

pussy ass gallo is questionable for game again! LMFAO

this guy was possibly the worst signing ever in clips history

With the way our training/medical staff operates, I'm just waiting to hear that there's been a setback and Gallo is out for the rest of the season.

.....because Gallo never got hurt on the Nuggets.

It's not our training staff, its the player.

Mar 28, 2018 3:22pm
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I'm not blaming the medical staff for Gallo getting injured. I'm blaming the medical staff for their history of misdiagnosing and mistreating injuries and how poorly they communicate with the fans/media. Trust is earned and they've done nothing to earn it.
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^well said
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VFHS wrote:
I'm not blaming the medical staff for Gallo getting injured. I'm blaming the medical staff for their history of misdiagnosing and mistreating injuries and how poorly they communicate with the fans/media. Trust is earned and they've done nothing to earn it.

I guess, I think that narrative is kind of overrated.

 

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trapp76 wrote:

VFHS wrote:
I'm not blaming the medical staff for Gallo getting injured. I'm blaming the medical staff for their history of misdiagnosing and mistreating injuries and how poorly they communicate with the fans/media. Trust is earned and they've done nothing to earn it.

I guess, I think that narrative is kind of overrated.

 

Of course you do, because the facts go against your agenda of using injuries as an excuse to hate players that you hate regardless.
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VFHS wrote:
trapp76 wrote:

VFHS wrote:
I'm not blaming the medical staff for Gallo getting injured. I'm blaming the medical staff for their history of misdiagnosing and mistreating injuries and how poorly they communicate with the fans/media. Trust is earned and they've done nothing to earn it.

I guess, I think that narrative is kind of overrated.

 

Of course you do, because the facts go against your agenda of using injuries as an excuse to hate players that you hate regardless.

Blake is hurt again on the Pistons, so new training staff same result. Exactly what I'm talking about. It's more the players than the training staff.

Mar 30, 2018 10:15am
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Why can't it be both?

Mar 30, 2018 1:13pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Why can't it be both?

It’s both. Remember Dudley’s injury? I don’t think it’s any secret that some teams have better training and doctor staff than others. No offense to Powell, but that’s a dept in the Organisation that needs to change just for changing sake.
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I agree. The industry seems to highly respect Powell. He was an Olympic team doctor for example. But I think his track record is not good. 

Mar 30, 2018 3:37pm
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trapp76 wrote:

VFHS wrote:
trapp76 wrote:

VFHS wrote:
I'm not blaming the medical staff for Gallo getting injured. I'm blaming the medical staff for their history of misdiagnosing and mistreating injuries and how poorly they communicate with the fans/media. Trust is earned and they've done nothing to earn it.

I guess, I think that narrative is kind of overrated.

 

Of course you do, because the facts go against your agenda of using injuries as an excuse to hate players that you hate regardless.

Blake is hurt again on the Pistons, so new training staff same result. Exactly what I'm talking about. It's more the players than the training staff.

And now you're deflecting. I'm not a Pistons fan, so I don't care about their medical staff. I'm a Clippers fan, so I do care about our bumbling, inept medical staff.
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You guys realize that Ballmer has made a TON of changes on the medical staff/department in both personell and equipment since he took over right? He has invested a bunch of money into it.

Yes, Powell is still there, but there have been a bunch of changes made underneath him and lots of equipment upgrades.

Apr 3, 2018 4:04pm
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trapp76 wrote:

You guys realize that Ballmer has made a TON of changes on the medical staff/department in both personell and equipment since he took over right? He has invested a bunch of money into it.

No I did not realize that. Is there an article out there on this topic? I am not asking you to hunt it down, I can try and do that, but do you have any recollection of what it might have said or who published it?

Apr 3, 2018 4:05pm
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trapp76 wrote:

You guys realize that Ballmer has made a TON of changes on the medical staff/department in both personell and equipment since he took over right? He has invested a bunch of money into it.

Yes, Powell is still there, but there have been a bunch of changes made underneath him and lots of equipment upgrades.

Whatever he's supposedly been doing isn't even close to good enough. Our medical staff is still the same clown show it's always been.