Build a super team to beat the Warriors in the Finals

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#1 Jun 5, 2017 8:43pm
ClipperSisyphus
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Build a super team to beat the Warriors in the Finals

Money is no object and you can pull from any of the 29 other teams. Warning: if you just pick 5 ball dominant scorers, you have to discuss your offensive and defensive systems for stopping the Warriors.

I think this is tough because KD is better than the best player in the league.

Jun 5, 2017 8:55pm
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CP3/Kawhi/Giannis/Gasol/Whiteside

Jun 5, 2017 9:20pm
ClipperSisyphus
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Starters: Harden/Kawhi/LeBron/KAT/Freak
Bench: CP/George/Gobert
​Coach: Pop

Spurs clear out the cap space and the league unites to create a Warriors killer.
 

Jun 6, 2017 8:18am
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Wow, the NBA already is completely unwatchable.
Jun 6, 2017 2:12pm
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Wilt, Russsel, Elgin, MJ and Magic

Bench:

Kareem, Malone, Bird, Westbrook and Harden

Jun 6, 2017 2:18pm
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tullabye wrote:

Wilt, Russsel, Elgin, MJ and Magic

Bench:

Kareem, Malone, Bird, Westbrook and Harden

You forgot Oscar Robertson

Jun 6, 2017 3:45pm
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ClipsAhoy wrote:

tullabye wrote:

Wilt, Russsel, Elgin, MJ and Magic

Bench:

Kareem, Malone, Bird, Westbrook and Harden

 

You forgot Oscar Robertson

 

Bah.  No three-point shooters.  And Wilt couldn't hit free throws.  So obviously he is over paid, weak-willed, and needs to be traded immediately.

Jun 6, 2017 5:38pm
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Team 0:  Payton, Pippen, Bird, Malone, Rodman.

 

Rodman vs. Green would be a popcorn match.

 

Payton and Pippen would have the perimeter defense.

 

Team 3:  Stockton, Leonard, Bruce Bowen, Lebron James, Tim Duncan

 

Super efficient in the paint.  They could have games where they average 62% in the paint.

 

Team 7:  Jason Kidd, Mark Price, Oscar Robertson, Bill Lambeer, Hakeem Olajuwon

 

I don't know how Robertson's defense was, but that would only leave 1 perimeter defender in Kidd if Robertson wasn't good.  

 

Price lead the league in FT% 3 times.

 

Team 8:  Mookie Blaylock, Alvin Robertson, Paul Pierce, Andrei Kirilenko (best seasons), Pau Gasol

 

 

 

Blaylock and Robertson lead the league in steals a combined 5 times.  Robertson with 3 seasons of 3+ steals a game.

 

This team might be a little lighter on rebounding, but unique on defense in their own way.

 

Team 9:  Terry Porter, Nate McMillan, Reggie Miller, Dirk Nowitzki, Ben Wallace

 

McMillan's FT% is poor, but Reggie's and Nowitzki's are great.

 

Team 11:  Ray Allen, Manu Ginobili, Jamal Mashburn, Shawn Marion, Rasheed Wallace

 

Mashburn was offensively versatile but still averaged 20+ in several different seasons.  He was also a solid rebounder from the SF.

 

Unlike my other teams, this one would be stronger defensively from its bigger players.  Ray Allen could defend when he wasn't the best player on offense.  He guarded Black Moldy in the two NBA Finals with Boston.

 

Rasheed was so versatile in defending SFs, PFs, and Centers.  His shooting efficiency and rebounding were sporadic, but with Allen, Ginobili, and Mashburn taking the lead offensively, this suits his personality.  He wouldn't have to shoot so much, because he doesn't like shooting so much.

 

He was on Black Moldy in game 7 in 2010.

 

Ray Allen could defend PGs better than Ginobili.  I don't want Ginobili's gambling and flopping defensively with PGs, only with other wing players.

 

The problem with 2017 Cleveland is that they don't have perimeter defense.

 

 

Jun 8, 2017 10:11am
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I think going forward only the Spurs, Celtics and Wizards have a chance to build superteams to challenge the Warriors.

Spurs need a score first PG. Celts need a scoring wing. Wizards need a mobile rim protector.

Jun 8, 2017 11:18am
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Portland w Lilliard and McCollum... 

Jun 8, 2017 12:15pm
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The crazy thing is how the Warriors are built now, you need 2 very good to elite 2 way wings to compete. The Cavs are getting beat because they only have one and that one is the best player in the league. We have none and are in no position to get one anytime soon. This FO is so clueless that even as unlikely as it is to get one deep in the draft they picked 2 traditional PF's and a crappy PG. It doesn't take a Jerry West to improve upon what's going on over there.

Jun 8, 2017 1:22pm
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I'm glad Cleveland stopped guarding Durant with Irving.

 

That is as unfortunate as when Rondo was guarding Nowitzki when Rondo was on the Kings.  It went as well for Nowitzki (albeit it only happened one possession) as it has for Durant.

 

I agree with the 2 way wing player thing.  That's why most of my proposals have those.

Jun 13, 2017 8:54am
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

I think going forward only the Spurs, Celtics and Wizards have a chance to build superteams to challenge the Warriors.

Spurs need a score first PG. Celts need a scoring wing. Wizards need a mobile rim protector.

I have to add that Pat Riley has the ego to want to build a superteam. Now that Bosh is off the books, I expect he will give the full court press to lure FAs to Miami.

I think every star in the Griffin/Harden/Westbrook/George draft vintage needs to think hard about forming a superteam to challenge the Warriors and Cavs.

Jun 13, 2017 9:15am
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From Today's NBA, I would pick: CP3, George, Lebron, Kawhi, Anthony Davis..Bench of Russ, Harden, Giannis, Blake, KAT

Jun 13, 2017 9:24am
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The question is...could the clippers start building their own super team soon? If and when Blake and CP sign. Lets say they get Melo this offseason as well. 

 

Next offseason they could potentionally trade Blake and DJ seperately for good high draft picks and players exceptions. They could then use those player exceptions as part of sign and trades for Lebron and for Wade. It's rare nowadays that multiple players are involved in a sign and trade and I actually don't think it is even possible. But, player exceptions are very commonly found in those. This would more than likely put an apron on their tax and we would be subject to nothing but rookie deals and max contracts, but a big 4 like that....i'll take it...time for brice johnson and diamond stone to develop!

Jun 13, 2017 9:41am
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Then we just need a time machine to bring all of the 2008 versions of those guys to the present day.

Also if Brice can't contribute next year we should just cut him.  You draft a 4 year senior, first team all american on the idea they are more polished and able to play right away, not as projects.  Patrick McCaw played more minutes in the deciding game of the NBA finals than Brice played the entire season, why even bother drafting him and wasting a roster spot on him.

Jun 13, 2017 9:52am
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Were those guys not good last year? I'm confused. Wade still produced with the Bulls putting up 18ppg...Lebron is Lebron...Melo will still score..CP hasn't changed much..I would still take that. 

 

Brice hasn't really had the chance to produce and Doc hasn't really given him a chance. Granted he was hurt most of last season, I wouldn't consider that a project. He is still under a rookie contract and that could help quite a bit. And when you're Doc Rivers and recruit guys like Brandon Bass and Speights, you're not going to play a rookie over them when he's been hurt half of the season.

Jun 13, 2017 1:03pm
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gpack17 wrote:

Were those guys not good last year? I'm confused. Wade still produced with the Bulls putting up 18ppg...Lebron is Lebron...Melo will still score..CP hasn't changed much..I would still take that. 

 

Brice hasn't really had the chance to produce and Doc hasn't really given him a chance. Granted he was hurt most of last season, I wouldn't consider that a project. He is still under a rookie contract and that could help quite a bit. And when you're Doc Rivers and recruit guys like Brandon Bass and Speights, you're not going to play a rookie over them when he's been hurt half of the season.

The advantage of rookies over vet minimum players is that if they have a good season, you get to keep them several more seasons on a fixed contract. Most of our vets leave for bigger contracts if they are decent or are out of the league if they aren't.

A starting lineup of CP, DWade, Melo and LeBron would go no where. It would be all iso ball and passing only as the shot clock runs out. We need to develop a system first then find the players that fit the system.