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Mar 8, 2018 11:40am
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trapp76 wrote:

Lakers have now passed the Pistons in the standings. Charlotte is one game back. 

We are sitting on the #11 and #17 picks right now. 

http://www.tankathon.com/full_draft

Mar 8, 2018 11:44am
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Mistwell wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Lakers have now passed the Pistons in the standings. Charlotte is one game back. 

We are sitting on the #11 and #17 picks right now. 

http://www.tankathon.com/full_draft

Might be able to package these two for a higher pick.

Mar 8, 2018 11:55am
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^and having Jerry West is crucial.... With those 2 picks we can trade up, or stay and get the next Kobe...... 

Mar 8, 2018 12:17pm
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JGlanton wrote:

clipsentuboca wrote:

was happy for Blake too last night. Really played well down the stretch and stepped up to make big shots instead of deferring. It was Drummond who kinda seemed lost in the shuffle out there.

that DeRozen was just a space freak madman. LeBron or #LAbron was also insane to close out that one.Glad I caught the last five mins of both games, really special players steppin up big time.

Colin Cowherd just did a 3-minute funeral for Blake's career, playing Amazing Grace while describing Blake stepping out of the way to let Derozan pass by for the tying layup.  How Blake used to jump over Kias in LA and now he's avoiding contact in freezing Detroit, while Chris Paul wins 17 games in a row at Houston.

Out of the Clippers (DJ), Rockets (CP) and Pistons (Blake), the only team consistently losing games is......................the team Blake Griffin plays for.

 

Mar 8, 2018 12:23pm
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JGlanton wrote:

clipsentuboca wrote:

was happy for Blake too last night. Really played well down the stretch and stepped up to make big shots instead of deferring. It was Drummond who kinda seemed lost in the shuffle out there.

that DeRozen was just a space freak madman. LeBron or #LAbron was also insane to close out that one.Glad I caught the last five mins of both games, really special players steppin up big time.

Colin Cowherd just did a 3-minute funeral for Blake's career, playing Amazing Grace while describing Blake stepping out of the way to let Derozan pass by for the tying layup.  How Blake used to jump over Kias in LA and now he's avoiding contact in freezing Detroit, while Chris Paul wins 17 games in a row at Houston.

I’d like to see CP win 17 in a row wearing a Piston uniform. Blake could likely win 17 in a row with Houston.

Mar 8, 2018 12:33pm
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tullabye wrote:

JGlanton wrote:

clipsentuboca wrote:

was happy for Blake too last night. Really played well down the stretch and stepped up to make big shots instead of deferring. It was Drummond who kinda seemed lost in the shuffle out there.

that DeRozen was just a space freak madman. LeBron or #LAbron was also insane to close out that one.Glad I caught the last five mins of both games, really special players steppin up big time.

Colin Cowherd just did a 3-minute funeral for Blake's career, playing Amazing Grace while describing Blake stepping out of the way to let Derozan pass by for the tying layup.  How Blake used to jump over Kias in LA and now he's avoiding contact in freezing Detroit, while Chris Paul wins 17 games in a row at Houston.

I’d like to see CP win 17 in a row wearing a Piston uniform. Blake could likely win 17 in a row with Houston.

I bet he'd have the Pistons in the playoffs.  

CP won with dj, Reddick, pierce and rivers starting

Mar 8, 2018 12:38pm
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Paul would definitely have the Pistons in the playoffs and some of it is the fit and the rest of it the way their roster is. He'd be great with Drummond and the shooters they have left. Bullock could pretty much be Redick with Chris there and the point guard play they have is so weak he'd be a huge upgrade. You can get by with a PF who is one dimensional or they could play a 3 at the PF for a good number of minutes. 

Mar 8, 2018 1:37pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Derozan had about as good a stretch in the 4th as a superstar can have, he was dominant scoring in every way. Detroit has answered with some 3's going in for them from some unlikely guys.

 

Hubie Brown added DeRozan to his MVP candidates list.  He said he was a top 5 MVP candidate.  Good player playing well on a great regular season team.

Mar 8, 2018 1:44pm
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clipsentuboca wrote:

was happy for Blake too last night. Really played well down the stretch and stepped up to make big shots instead of deferring. It was Drummond who kinda seemed lost in the shuffle out there.

that DeRozen was just a space freak madman. LeBron or #LAbron was also insane to close out that one.Glad I caught the last five mins of both games, really special players steppin up big time.

 

In the two regular season national TV games I've seen since the trade, Drummond seems like a non-option on offense.  They don't give him the ball like they were earlier in the year, before the trade.  He's not getting the ball on set plays.  Only broken ones.

 

Back then, he was helping move the ball on offense.

 

Still, I can't say he was "lost", because he had 21 rebounds.  He was active.

 

Detroit got 42 defensive boards on 56 missed Raptors shots, so the team rebounding was good for them.

Mar 8, 2018 1:45pm
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JGlanton wrote:

Colin Cowherd just did a 3-minute funeral for Blake's career, playing Amazing Grace while describing Blake stepping out of the way to let Derozan pass by for the tying layup.  How Blake used to jump over Kias in LA and now he's avoiding contact in freezing Detroit, while Chris Paul wins 17 games in a row at Houston.

he did, along with pretty much the whole team, just let Derozan go coast-to-coast for the slam (that was sick). But thought Blake made some some bigboy moves in the post so his physicality still is showing up on occasion. Whlst entertaining, Cowherd is the biggest sensationalist...which is kinda what you need to have a national platform nowadays.   

Mar 8, 2018 2:03pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Paul would definitely have the Pistons in the playoffs and some of it is the fit and the rest of it the way their roster is. He'd be great with Drummond and the shooters they have left. Bullock could pretty much be Redick with Chris there and the point guard play they have is so weak he'd be a huge upgrade. You can get by with a PF who is one dimensional or they could play a 3 at the PF for a good number of minutes. 

There's little chance that substituting Paul for Blake they make the playoffs. Other than Blake they are pretty horrible.

Mar 8, 2018 2:08pm
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Still, I can't say he was "lost", because he had 21 rebounds.  He was active.

you may not have watched the last part of the game. Drummond got a few boards as the Raptors retreated on defense after their missed shot, but not a whole lot of energy or initiation from him on offense. He looked a bit "lost" but I wouldn't say TOR "stole the game on the road"...;o

Mar 8, 2018 2:25pm
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Olowokandi34 wrote:

tullabye wrote:

JGlanton wrote:

clipsentuboca wrote:

was happy for Blake too last night. Really played well down the stretch and stepped up to make big shots instead of deferring. It was Drummond who kinda seemed lost in the shuffle out there.

that DeRozen was just a space freak madman. LeBron or #LAbron was also insane to close out that one.Glad I caught the last five mins of both games, really special players steppin up big time.

Colin Cowherd just did a 3-minute funeral for Blake's career, playing Amazing Grace while describing Blake stepping out of the way to let Derozan pass by for the tying layup.  How Blake used to jump over Kias in LA and now he's avoiding contact in freezing Detroit, while Chris Paul wins 17 games in a row at Houston.

I’d like to see CP win 17 in a row wearing a Piston uniform. Blake could likely win 17 in a row with Houston.

I bet he'd have the Pistons in the playoffs.  

CP won with dj, Reddick, pierce and rivers starting

+1

Mar 8, 2018 2:26pm
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tullabye wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Paul would definitely have the Pistons in the playoffs and some of it is the fit and the rest of it the way their roster is. He'd be great with Drummond and the shooters they have left. Bullock could pretty much be Redick with Chris there and the point guard play they have is so weak he'd be a huge upgrade. You can get by with a PF who is one dimensional or they could play a 3 at the PF for a good number of minutes. 

There's little chance that substituting Paul for Blake they make the playoffs. Other than Blake they are pretty horrible.

No, Blake has been pretty horrible too, especially considering his salary.

Mar 8, 2018 2:39pm
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clipsentuboca wrote:

nuraman00 wrote:

Still, I can't say he was "lost", because he had 21 rebounds.  He was active.

you may not have watched the last part of the game. Drummond got a few boards as the Raptors retreated on defense after their missed shot, but not a whole lot of energy or initiation from him on offense. He looked a bit "lost" but I wouldn't say TOR "stole the game on the road"...;o

 

They're not making him the "hub", as SVG called it, anymore.  Earlier in the year, they were using Drummond on the perimeter to make some plays.

 

The DeRozan coast to coast play would make every playoffs coach irate, on defense.  That just can't happen.

 

Deron Williams almost did the same thing though against the Clippers.  This was back when the Clippers had 2 wins in Salt Lake from 1988 - 2012.


Williams went coast to coast after a made Clippers free throw.

 

I thought the streak would end in 2006.

 

But this happened, on ESPN:

 

0:09.7 S. Cassell makes free throw 2 of 2 +1 103-103    
0:02.4     103-105 +2 D. Williams makes 2-pt shot from 10 ft

 

 

Ok, I see it was a tie game after Cassell's free throw.  So had Williams missed the shot, the Clippers still wouldn't have won, it would have just gone to OT.

 

Funny.  The Clippers never lead that game.  Only tied it twice.

 

I remembered it wrong.

 

The way I remembered it, the Clippers were in a winning position near the end.  But they were only in a tying position.

 

Still, the disappointment is the same.  As that was a great Clippers team that I thought was going to end the Utah streak.

Mar 8, 2018 2:55pm
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I'm also not even sure how Detroit was in the game.

 

They had a ton of turnovers in the first quarter.

 

Lowry was finding guys on every broken play.

 

DeRozan got it going in the second half.

 

Ibaka was blocking shots.

 

It didn't look like the Pistons were doing much right to me, other than the 2nd quarter.  But they still had a chance to win.

 

Moreland played pretty well.

Mar 8, 2018 3:36pm
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Blake's defense:

https://streamable.com/62tv2

 

 

 

Mar 8, 2018 3:48pm
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Colin doing Blake's funeral:   http://podbay.fm/show/1042368254/e/1520542199?autostart=1  go to 35:50

Mar 8, 2018 5:52pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

I remembered it wrong.

it's okay, we all make mistakes...except for some or even most on here.

Mar 8, 2018 5:58pm
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The expectation for Blake is to be the alpha and make an ok team great. CP is the beta helping a good team become great. He clearly has an easier role and he is paid less. The pressure may be too much for Blake and he may go Amar'e.
Mar 8, 2018 6:32pm
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:
The expectation for Blake is to be the alpha and make an ok team great. CP is the beta helping a good team become great. He clearly has an easier role and he is paid less. The pressure may be too much for Blake and he may go Amar'e.

 

The expectation is for Blake to run after a rebound.  Like CP3 does.

The expectation is for Blake, or any PF, to have higher FG% than a PG like CP3.  Blake isn't even close. In fact, Blake shoots worse than an average PG. 

The expectation is for Blake to have more blocks than little CP3.  He doesn't.

Watching a Detroit game and seeing Blake stand around far away from the basket while the other players run, play, hustle, box out, and generally try to win, is a sad sight. 

 

Mar 8, 2018 7:12pm
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JGlanton wrote:

clipsentuboca wrote:

was happy for Blake too last night. Really played well down the stretch and stepped up to make big shots instead of deferring. It was Drummond who kinda seemed lost in the shuffle out there.

that DeRozen was just a space freak madman. LeBron or #LAbron was also insane to close out that one.Glad I caught the last five mins of both games, really special players steppin up big time.

Colin Cowherd just did a 3-minute funeral for Blake's career, playing Amazing Grace while describing Blake stepping out of the way to let Derozan pass by for the tying layup.  How Blake used to jump over Kias in LA and now he's avoiding contact in freezing Detroit, while Chris Paul wins 17 games in a row at Houston.

 

He's really been running that "Blake and DJ are struggling and are now a non factor without CP3 -as CP3 and the Rockets are the talk of the league"- narrative to death lately.. But in reality CP3 has finally hit the jackpot by latching on to a MVP candidate who's down to go for 40 points a game while he can simply play his game on the side and pick and choose when to finally score some points. Paul is playing good ball next to Harden but you can tell who actually watches games when Cowherd speaks instead of simply looking at box scores and going by hype. Not to mention the Pistons don't have much outside of Blake, Drummond, and Reggie Jackson(when healthy).

Mar 9, 2018 10:24am
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22692585/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-houston-rockets-math-nba

 

1. The end of the Pistons

To their credit, no one with the Detroit Pistons has spun this free fall as something they saw coming -- the predictable result of a mega-trade that gutted their wing rotation. They traded for Blake Griffin to make the playoffs. Now their chances are nearing zero.

Detroit is 6-10 since acquiring Griffin, and every one of those wins -- including Griffin's first four games -- came at home against teams on the second end of a back-to-back.

The Pistons are hemorrhaging 3-pointers on defense, and they rank 24th in points scored per possession since the trade. Five of six teams scoring at a worse rate are trying to lose. Their most-used starting lineup, now mothballed, included one 3-point shooter -- Reggie Bullock -- and Detroit has him barfing up long 2-pointer after long 2-pointer in sets Kentavious Caldwell-Pope wore out years ago.

Detroit might argue absorbing Griffin didn't cost much, since they would have paid Tobias Harris a ton in free agency next summer. Baloney/bologna. Harris won't make as much as Griffin, and he's three years younger. Coughing up a lottery pick -- the ultimate evidence Detroit expected a playoff push -- is a gut punch, especially after using their previous two on Stanley Johnson and Luke Kennard. (It's unclear what those guys will be -- I'm more bullish on Johnson than most -- but it is clear Detroit failed to maximize either pick.)

Griffin and Andre Drummond can (kinda) fit -- just not with this surrounding talent. Bad news: Detroit is in cap hell through 2019-20, with no realistic means of rejiggering that surrounding talent. The Pistons executed nice trades for Reggie Jackson and Harris, but undid that good work by overpaying role players out of a self-defeating belief that no one would ever choose Detroit otherwise. (The same logic pushed them to jump the market on Griffin, a fine player on a giant contract that carries too much downside risk for what Detroit paid.)

One move they have, other than potentially separating from Stan Van Gundy: flipping Drummond while his value is still neutral-ish, and recentering around Griffin. Detroit has a fascinating summer ahead.

Mar 9, 2018 11:50am
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The Clippers lucked out big time. Tobias Harris alone makes a bigger impact on a team than Blake Griffin. What if he does command too much money? Just tell him to kick rocks. Trading Blake's contract opens up so much more for the Clippers. Mark my words; The Pistons will not be able to trade Blake away unless they surrender 2 1st round picks AND take on another terrible contract in return. Blake will also be a rotational/bench player before his contract is up.

Mar 9, 2018 12:00pm
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ala Danny Ainge, teams aren't going to want to trade w Frank/West after that fleecing. Need a few more moves to attain that scrouge like level, but it's a start. Pistons are just screwed now for a while. 

Mar 9, 2018 1:56pm
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Watching that clip I can't believe Griffin just got out of the way to give DeRozan a clear path to the basket.  He could of easily stepped right in front of him and taken the charge and won the game for the Pistons.  That has to be the most embarrassing play I have ever seen a pro player make.  Far worse than being posterized.  First rule of defense.  Stop the ball.

Mar 10, 2018 12:52pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

Watching that clip I can't believe Griffin just got out of the way to give DeRozan a clear path to the basket.  He could of easily stepped right in front of him and taken the charge and won the game for the Pistons.  That has to be the most embarrassing play I have ever seen a pro player make.  Far worse than being posterized.  First rule of defense.  Stop the ball.

 

Imagine what his teammates are thinking watching that video. Imagine what those in the front office responsible for the trade are thinking watching that video. Imagine what everyone will be thinking the next time he is injured and sidelined for weeks or months and collecting $40 Mil.

Pronouncing a "funeral" for Blake's career may be a bit over the top, but not really that much over the top.

 

Mar 10, 2018 12:53pm
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CorkScrew wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

Watching that clip I can't believe Griffin just got out of the way to give DeRozan a clear path to the basket.  He could of easily stepped right in front of him and taken the charge and won the game for the Pistons.  That has to be the most embarrassing play I have ever seen a pro player make.  Far worse than being posterized.  First rule of defense.  Stop the ball.

 

Imagine what his teammates are thinking watching that video. Imagine what those in the front office responsible for the trade are thinking watching that video. Imagine what everyone will be thinking the next time he is injured and sidelined for weeks or months and collecting $40 Mil.

Pronouncing a "funeral" for Blake's career may be a bit over the top, but not really that much over the top. And he'll drag some Detroit FO people right down with him.

 

Mar 10, 2018 1:27pm
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CorkScrew wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

Watching that clip I can't believe Griffin just got out of the way to give DeRozan a clear path to the basket.  He could of easily stepped right in front of him and taken the charge and won the game for the Pistons.  That has to be the most embarrassing play I have ever seen a pro player make.  Far worse than being posterized.  First rule of defense.  Stop the ball.

 

Imagine what his teammates are thinking watching that video. Imagine what those in the front office responsible for the trade are thinking watching that video. Imagine what everyone will be thinking the next time he is injured and sidelined for weeks or months and collecting $40 Mil.

 

Imagine what VagFHS is thinking.

Mar 10, 2018 2:43pm
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Guys I watched that game and Blake played great overall. You're taking ONE play out of it and acting like that was representative of not just the entire game, not just his entire year with his new team, but somehow an emblem of his entire contract. 

It's silly. Blake played quite a good game overall. He's sucked a lot as well this year, but this was not one of his sucky performances. 

Mar 10, 2018 3:22pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Guys I watched that game and Blake played great overall. You're taking ONE play out of it and acting like that was representative of not just the entire game, not just his entire year with his new team, but somehow an emblem of his entire contract. 

It's silly. Blake played quite a good game overall. He's sucked a lot as well this year, but this was not one of his sucky performances. 

 

He did a really good game against the Raptors but that play made him look really bad. Its just that he can't have a bad play like that at this point in his career

Mar 10, 2018 4:04pm
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In Blake's defense, he also was trying to cover the guy on the 3 point line. If he committed to DeRozan, DeRozan would have flipped the ball to the shooter.

Mar 10, 2018 5:20pm
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Blake is just not a naturally good defender, he was trying to defend the 3 but in that situation when it's a guy with Derozan's athleticism going towards the rim and you're up 1 you stop the ball and take away the dunk vs giving up an open 3 even if it's Steph Curry in the corner. I can't imagine the good defenders in this league making that mistake.

Mar 10, 2018 11:24pm
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Blake has never been a good defender. Never once named to an all defense team.
Mar 11, 2018 12:53am
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The game was on the line. There was 5 seconds left in the game and he fucking steps aside? A 2 guard against a power forward? If this happened in the first quarter, maybe... Maybe you just ridicule him and let it slide because "he had a good game otherwise". But with the game on the line?

There are no mitigating circumstances that makes it less egregious. None. Any "yes, but" explanation is horseshit.

 

Mar 11, 2018 6:15am
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Damn, if only people took this kind of hardline attitude towards CP0's playoff meltdowns instead of making excuse after excuse and blaming everyone else.
Mar 11, 2018 12:09pm
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Is the DeRozan play similar to this Allen play?

 

With Griffin being similar to Vujacic?

 

Mar 11, 2018 12:11pm
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In the two Detroit games I've seen since the trade, Griffin looks focused.

 

He doesn't seem distracted, or like he doesn't fit in.

 

It doesn't look like he's thinking about potential personal issues.

 

I think any poor games he might have in between these games, are more of a reflection of his overall play the past few years, than anything current.

 

When he's on the court, he looks engaged and like he's trying to do the right thing.

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trapp76 wrote:

CorkScrew wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

Watching that clip I can't believe Griffin just got out of the way to give DeRozan a clear path to the basket.  He could of easily stepped right in front of him and taken the charge and won the game for the Pistons.  That has to be the most embarrassing play I have ever seen a pro player make.  Far worse than being posterized.  First rule of defense.  Stop the ball.

 

Imagine what his teammates are thinking watching that video. Imagine what those in the front office responsible for the trade are thinking watching that video. Imagine what everyone will be thinking the next time he is injured and sidelined for weeks or months and collecting $40 Mil.

 

Imagine what VagFHS is thinking.

Haha good one
Mar 11, 2018 12:26pm (Reply to #140)
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trapp76 wrote:
Blake has never been a good defender. Never once named to an all defense team.
Don't use that htownfan logic here haha