Ballmer: Clippers moved Griffin to adapt to 'modern NBA'

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Feb 26, 2018 7:33pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Pistons fans gotta be losing their minds right about now. 12 points on 12 shots and 1 rebound, yikes. 

They're saying that Blake needs to stop shooting jumpers.enlightened

They're saying that Blake is standing around.

They're asking where is his BB IQ?

They're saying a better coach would use Blake more on the inside  #FireSVG  laugh

​They're saying they miss Tobias.

They're saying "The Elephant in the room is Blake Griffin isn’t even good".

And, DRUM ROLL PLEASE...

They're saying "He's worse than Josh Smith" 

Feb 26, 2018 8:05pm
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JGlanton wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Pistons fans gotta be losing their minds right about now. 12 points on 12 shots and 1 rebound, yikes. 

They're saying that Blake needs to stop shooting jumpers.enlightened

They're saying that Blake is standing around.

They're asking where is his BB IQ?

They're saying a better coach would use Blake more on the inside  #FireSVG  laugh

​They're saying they miss Tobias.

They're saying "The Elephant in the room is Blake Griffin isn’t even good".

And, DRUM ROLL PLEASE...

They're saying "He's worse than Josh Smith" 

Blake has a weak mentality. Its why he let guys like draymond scare him into submission. For a guy like blake detroit must seem like basketball purgatory. Wouldnt surprise me if he was pouting and playing lazy on purpose. Enjoy piston fans. Thanks
Feb 26, 2018 8:32pm
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I guess I was wrong w/ BG23, I really thought he would dominate playing for the Pistons....

thank goodness I don't miss those 1 rebound games..

Feb 26, 2018 10:29pm
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I'm shocked he only got one rebound in a game. That's terrible

Feb 26, 2018 11:00pm
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some more quotes from pistons forum on realgm.com

 

"He is playing like shit.  At the end of games his box scores look ok, but overall he is not a factor when he needs to be. This team is worse with Blake out there, and we gave up a draft pick and ate 160 million dollars to get worse and cripple our flexibility."

 

"I think we definitely could've made the trade without giving up the 1st rd pick."

 

"29 in 3 weeks. His athleticism is shot, and putting so much stock into a player that is rapidly declining is scary. He’s not scoring at the rim efficiently, and he can’t shoot, and we sunk $160m and our 1st round pick into this guy. The Blake trade will doom our franchise, I seriously question those that defend him."

yikes!

Feb 26, 2018 11:37pm
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He's definitely better than what he has been playing lately.  I just think his heart isn't in it right now.  

Feb 26, 2018 11:41pm
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One bonus for us is Gallo has been playing much better since his move to PF.

Feb 27, 2018 12:53am
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pro100 wrote:

I'm shocked he only got one rebound in a game. That's terrible

 

That's the pretty alarming part. He should accidentally fall into at least 6 rebounds a game no matter what else is happening with his game.

Feb 27, 2018 3:45am
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

pro100 wrote:

I'm shocked he only got one rebound in a game. That's terrible

 

That's the pretty alarming part. He should accidentally fall into at least 6 rebounds a game no matter what else is happening with his game.

I think Blake is upset The Female Brain grossed only $19,000 at the box office:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=thefemalebrain.htm

 

Feb 27, 2018 8:40am
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http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3149673/pascal-siakam


What is sad is he got dominated by this guy.  Who put up 11/5/6 on seven shots in 24 minutes.  And Ibaka also schooled him for 19/9/0 on 14 shot attempts in 24 minutes.  And the Pistons got slaughtered by 29 thanks in large part by Blake getting completely outplayed by both of these guys.  And the Pistons are supposed to be pushing for a playoff spot so it isn't like they are mailing in games.

Feb 27, 2018 8:42am
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I looked at the game highlights and Blake was spending most of his time standing flat-footed out near the arc.  On defense he was playing mostly outside, too. He had a Jamal Crawford role, which doesn't lend itself to many rebounds. Still, there are plenty of SGs who hustle in for boards.  The coach must be somewhat responsible for this. Blake looked like the 3rd or 4th option on offense so he floated around towards empty spots in the outfield while the other guards penetrated and made plays or got the ball to Drummond. Toronto's defense was good and DET needed outside shooting.  

Using Blake as Nick Young is not a winning strategy. 

Feb 27, 2018 8:51am
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#firedoc. 

Feb 27, 2018 8:56am
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Not to excuse Blakes shit performance, but it was the second night of back to away to one one best teams in league, Detroit was pretty much always going to lose that game. Still Blakes effort just wasnt there. I feel like Blakes loafing was excused for the last few years as saving himself for the playoffs, but not its just become a regular bad habit, especially if hes likely to miss the playoffs. I want to say Ibaka has given Blake problems in the past, Im not 100 percent sure on that.
Feb 27, 2018 9:12am
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What are his peers doing:  Towns 26/17/4 on 10 shots attempts.  Anthony Davis 53/18/3 on 29 shot attempts.  Marc Gasol 17/8/8 on 10 shot attempts.  Draymond Green 10/3/6 on eight shot attempts.  So considering that Blake is a much worse defender than any of these guys you would have to conclude he isn't a good value for a max contract for a big.

Feb 27, 2018 10:24am
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Watching highlights of this Pistons vs Raptors game gave me nightmares of that meltdown against the Rockets.

Feb 27, 2018 10:28am
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If Blake does not significantly improve, his contract will ruin Detroit's franchise for years to come.

Feb 27, 2018 10:34am
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Of course he will improve. He's in a bad place right now (in his head). This year is probably a write-off already in his mind. But I think he will be fine next year, once he gets his feet under him and figures out his personal life issues and his new team. 

All that said, that draft pick is starting to look better and better for us. 

Feb 27, 2018 11:22am
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Dyce wrote:

He's definitely better than what he has been playing lately.  I just think his heart isn't in it right now.  

 

I think his heart is still in it.  He's had games like this before.

 

 

Feb 27, 2018 11:25am
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Mistwell wrote:

Of course he will improve. He's in a bad place right now (in his head). This year is probably a write-off already in his mind. But I think he will be fine next year, once he gets his feet under him and figures out his personal life issues and his new team. 

All that said, that draft pick is starting to look better and better for us. 

 

I'll amend what I said.

 

His heart may be in Detroit.  But there may be personal stuff.

 

Once he can get past that, he can get back to basketball.

Feb 27, 2018 11:47am
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V-Ice wrote:

#firedoc. 

Are you sure that you're on the right post?

Feb 27, 2018 12:50pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Of course he will improve. He's in a bad place right now (in his head). This year is probably a write-off already in his mind. But I think he will be fine next year, once he gets his feet under him and figures out his personal life issues and his new team. 

All that said, that draft pick is starting to look better and better for us. 

Dude makes 35 mill per year to play basketball on a max contract.

I don't want to hear that "his head isn't in it" if I own the team and are paying him that much money. Good riddance.

Feb 27, 2018 12:52pm
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mannycoon wrote:
Not to excuse Blakes shit performance, but it was the second night of back to away to one one best teams in league, Detroit was pretty much always going to lose that game. Still Blakes effort just wasnt there. I feel like Blakes loafing was excused for the last few years as saving himself for the playoffs, but not its just become a regular bad habit, especially if hes likely to miss the playoffs. I want to say Ibaka has given Blake problems in the past, Im not 100 percent sure on that.

I used to buy into "he's saving himself for the playoffs", but now I realize that was all bullshit.

The reason the coaches have him stay out of the paint is because his body can't hold up against the contact anymore. The sad part is, he still gets hurt anyway, even playing outside.

Feb 27, 2018 1:50pm
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Jimbo wrote:

V-Ice wrote:

#firedoc. 

Are you sure that you're on the right post?

There's never a wrong post to say #FireDoc.

Feb 27, 2018 2:31pm
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trapp76 wrote:

mannycoon wrote:
Not to excuse Blakes shit performance, but it was the second night of back to away to one one best teams in league, Detroit was pretty much always going to lose that game. Still Blakes effort just wasnt there. I feel like Blakes loafing was excused for the last few years as saving himself for the playoffs, but not its just become a regular bad habit, especially if hes likely to miss the playoffs. I want to say Ibaka has given Blake problems in the past, Im not 100 percent sure on that.

I used to buy into "he's saving himself for the playoffs", but now I realize that was all bullshit.

The reason the coaches have him stay out of the paint is because his body can't hold up against the contact anymore. The sad part is, he still gets hurt anyway, even playing outside.

 

Exactly. What other star player can you think of takes it easy in the regular season then just plays a completely different way when the postseason comes? It's incredibly hard to be sharp on all your skills if you are not using them to the full extent all year.

 

Even guys who you'd probably want to take it down a notch to save themselves don't really do that. Lebron, Harden, Curry, Durant, Giannis, Westbrook... do any of those guys take it easy? If anything you play less games to lessen the load, but saving yourself while playing games doesn't work. Blake could still do a little better in a situation that fit his skills more, but this is pretty much his new reality and has been for a while.

Feb 27, 2018 2:33pm
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Pretty much every star player does after their first few years in the league, once they learn that the NBA is a marathon, not a sprint. LeBron doesn't try nearly as hard on defense in the regular season anymore compared to the playoffs. The entire Warriors team has been coasting in the regular season this year. Paul George was notorious in Indiana for not playing hard in the regular season and then flipping the switch in the playoffs.

Feb 27, 2018 2:33pm
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I haven't looked up the stats, but wonder if Curry or Ball average more rebounds than BG23.

Feb 27, 2018 2:52pm
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VFHS wrote:

Pretty much every star player does after their first few years in the league, once they learn that the NBA is a marathon, not a sprint. LeBron doesn't try nearly as hard on defense in the regular season anymore compared to the playoffs. The entire Warriors team has been coasting in the regular season this year. Paul George was notorious in Indiana for not playing hard in the regular season and then flipping the switch in the playoffs.

 

Lebron not playing as hard on D isn't the same as Blake deciding to only play inside pretty much only in the playoffs. And Lebron has plenty of games where he balls out completely. Steph and Durant have a handful of 40 point games every season and they may not play all out on every play, but they don't play a different style then change it in the postseason. Not even saying that Blake is taking it down a notch now, he just doesn't have it like he used anymore.

Feb 27, 2018 5:05pm
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VFHS wrote:

Pretty much every star player does after their first few years in the league, once they learn that the NBA is a marathon, not a sprint. LeBron doesn't try nearly as hard on defense in the regular season anymore compared to the playoffs. The entire Warriors team has been coasting in the regular season this year. Paul George was notorious in Indiana for not playing hard in the regular season and then flipping the switch in the playoffs.

LOL those guys are perimeter wing players. Not 6’10” power forwards.

Feb 28, 2018 9:13am
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VFHS wrote:

Jimbo wrote:

V-Ice wrote:

#firedoc. 

Are you sure that you're on the right post?

There's never a wrong post to say #FireDoc.

There is if you can sucker New York out of a first round pick for him.

 

Feb 28, 2018 9:49am
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I said it being sarcastic. for the #firedoc post.

Feb 28, 2018 9:44am
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Griffin 7.6 rebounds a game.  Ball 7.1 rebounds a game.  Curry 5.3 rebounds a game.  Some sarcasm.  Half a rebound a game difference.

Mar 1, 2018 9:04am
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V-Ice wrote:

I haven't looked up the stats, but wonder if Curry or Ball average more rebounds than BG23.

Looking at rates,

Ball averages 10.3 rebs/48.  Blake averages 10.6.  About the same.  Curry 7.7, but he's not a big boarder.  Dejounte Murray and Westbrook are PGs that average over 12. Ben Simmons 10.6.  Even Omri Casspi boards more than Big Blake at 13.1 rebs/48.

When Blake was a rookie he got 15.3 rebs/48.  Now at Detroit he's getting 9.4.  Only 62% of the rebounding that he used to do.

Mar 2, 2018 7:40pm
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Pistons lose tonight to the magic who had lost 7 in a row.  Our pick right now is 12th.  Lakers and hornets are 1.5 games behind the Pistons.  If Pistons keep struggling then we may be able to get the 10th pick.

Mar 2, 2018 8:01pm
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Olowokandi34 wrote:

Pistons lose tonight to the magic who had lost 7 in a row.  Our pick right now is 12th.  Lakers and hornets are 1.5 games behind the Pistons.  If Pistons keep struggling then we may be able to get the 10th pick.

Lakers are playing to win since they don't have their pick. The Blake trade looks better every day.

Mar 2, 2018 8:16pm
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Olowokandi34 wrote:

Pistons lose tonight to the magic who had lost 7 in a row.  Our pick right now is 12th.  Lakers and hornets are 1.5 games behind the Pistons.  If Pistons keep struggling then we may be able to get the 10th pick.

Lakers are playing to win since they don't have their pick. The Blake trade looks better every day.

Uh, so are the Pistons. 

Mar 2, 2018 11:40pm
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Mistwell wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Olowokandi34 wrote:

Pistons lose tonight to the magic who had lost 7 in a row.  Our pick right now is 12th.  Lakers and hornets are 1.5 games behind the Pistons.  If Pistons keep struggling then we may be able to get the 10th pick.

Lakers are playing to win since they don't have their pick. The Blake trade looks better every day.

Uh, so are the Pistons. 

But are they?  :P

Mar 3, 2018 1:15pm
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Olowokandi34 wrote:

Pistons lose tonight to the magic who had lost 7 in a row.  Our pick right now is 12th.  Lakers and hornets are 1.5 games behind the Pistons.  If Pistons keep struggling then we may be able to get the 10th pick.

Lakers are playing to win since they don't have their pick. The Blake trade looks better every day.

 

I believe the Lakers got Cleveland's first rounder in that trade for Clarkson and Nance

Mar 7, 2018 6:53pm
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After watching this Raptors/Pistons game, in Blake's defense even though they are hanging with Toronto this Detroit team is pretty bad. He's not able to transcend it like a true superstar were, but they are playing some pretty questionable rotations including one possession where Bullock had to bring the ball up against Lowry because their pg depth is so bad with Jackson out. I don't see how the Pistons make any sort of push fort he playoffs.

Mar 7, 2018 7:31pm
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Thrilling ending to that Pistons / Raptors game (on ESPN right now). DeMar DeRozan is playing great. OVERTIME on a Blake Griffin final shot. 

Mar 7, 2018 7:41pm
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First overtime is ridiculous. Nobody is capable of doing anything on either team other than defend. Nobody can shoot, pass, jump, or anything on the offensive end. First points just scored with 2 mins remaining on a goal tend, tied by Ish Smith on the other end at 116. 

Mar 7, 2018 7:45pm
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Blake just tied it again at 119 with a three. 37 seconds to go in first overtime. 

Mar 7, 2018 7:47pm
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Derozan had about as good a stretch in the 4th as a superstar can have, he was dominant scoring in every way. Detroit has answered with some 3's going in for them from some unlikely guys.

Mar 7, 2018 8:00pm
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Raptors win on DeRozan pass to Vanleet final shot. 

Blake played very well. Not as well as DeRozan, but very well. 

Ok, Pistons lost so that's good for our pick. Now let's hope Denver loses to Cleveland to be good for our standings. 

Mar 7, 2018 7:59pm
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Just watched the highlights.  9 seconds left in regulation, Pistons up 1 and DeRozan takes it coast to coast for a dunk plus the foul.  Blake moved out of the way while tolliver challenge it

Mar 7, 2018 8:08pm
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Remember when everyone was drooling over than Knicks pick? Yeah well, that Pistons pick isn't looking too far off the Knicks pick now. 

Just saw this on the Pistons board:

Griffin with Pistons: 
15 games, 33 MPG
19.2 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 5.7 APG
40.6% FG, 29.5% 3PT (5.2 attempts per), 79.7% FT
6-9 team record

Tobias with Clippers: 
12 games, 34.8 MPG
19.0 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 3.1 APG
48.3% FG, 41.0% 3PT (5.1 attempts per), 78.4% FT
9-3 team record

Mar 7, 2018 9:03pm
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The game is so perimeter based now, it's hard to make as much of an impact playing inside out. Derozan has become such a lethal player. That coast to coast dunk was pretty special in real time.

Mar 8, 2018 9:32am
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Griffin benefited from Ibaka getting thrown out of the game in the first half.  But still he made two clutch shots with 20 seconds left in the game to keep the Pistons in it.  Plus, the big three in overtime.  Griffin is great against small defenders that allow him to get to the basket.  But not as good against big guys who can jump like Ibaka.  I am happy to see he is still healthy and played a solid game last night.  Charlotte and the Lakers should both pass the Pistons in the standings.  Push the pick to 10 when all is said and done.

Mar 8, 2018 10:08am
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was happy for Blake too last night. Really played well down the stretch and stepped up to make big shots instead of deferring. It was Drummond who kinda seemed lost in the shuffle out there.

that DeRozen was just a space freak madman. LeBron or #LAbron was also insane to close out that one.Glad I caught the last five mins of both games, really special players steppin up big time.

Mar 8, 2018 11:30am
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Lakers have now passed the Pistons in the standings. Charlotte is one game back. 

Mar 8, 2018 11:36am
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clipsentuboca wrote:

was happy for Blake too last night. Really played well down the stretch and stepped up to make big shots instead of deferring. It was Drummond who kinda seemed lost in the shuffle out there.

that DeRozen was just a space freak madman. LeBron or #LAbron was also insane to close out that one.Glad I caught the last five mins of both games, really special players steppin up big time.

Colin Cowherd just did a 3-minute funeral for Blake's career, playing Amazing Grace while describing Blake stepping out of the way to let Derozan pass by for the tying layup.  How Blake used to jump over Kias in LA and now he's avoiding contact in freezing Detroit, while Chris Paul wins 17 games in a row at Houston.