Who do you blame for Lob City not getting to WC Finals?

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#1 Apr 11, 2018 9:04am
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Who do you blame for Lob City not getting to WC Finals?

If LeBron James can get to 7 straight Finals with 2 different teams, you can put the responsibility on one person.

Chris Paul
55% (6 votes)
Blake Griffin
18% (2 votes)
Doc Rivers
18% (2 votes)
Someone else
9% (1 vote)
Total votes: 11
Apr 11, 2018 9:14am
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I blame Corey Brewer and Josh Smith for not being garbage players at the exact worse time possible in game six at Staples against Houston.  Definitely should have won that game.  But they took it away from us and the rest is history.

Apr 11, 2018 9:36am
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I’ll say Chris Paul. He was our alpha dog and just couldn’t get us over the hump.. Granted injuries that we had made it harder but we should have been to at least 2 of them. That OKC series was ours to win and of course the Houston series as well.
Apr 11, 2018 9:41am
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I blame CP. He came in like he was LeBron and forced the team to go in win-now mode rather than trust the process of building around a nice core of Blake, DJ, Gordon and Bledsoe.

CP clearly was not LeBron and not even Iverson. On Houston he is a clear #2 behind Harden.

Apr 11, 2018 9:42am
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Doc built a weak supporting cast as PBO and compounded the problem with bad decisions on player rotations (bench mobs, handling Jordan getting hacked), bad three guard lineups and playing favorites with bad players.
Apr 11, 2018 10:05am
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2012: Fresh, new team made the playoffs, I don't blame anyone. 2013: Blake getting hurt and VDN wasn't a good coach 2014: The refs were bad, but CP did singlehandedly lose game 4 for us. The Sterling scandal was a major distraction. 2015: I blame everyone for that. Blowing a 3-1 lead and a 20 point lead in game 6 is on everyone. 2016: Blake and CP getting injured at the worst possible time 2017: Blake got hurt. I honestly can't pin point one player. I don't think we should pinpoint one player. Coaches are always the scapegoat, but this is a star driven league and our stars often were hurt. Blake peaked in the 2015 playoffs, and he was amazing. That's why a lot of us are disappointed in him, because we saw what he was capable of, but injuries took Blake's athleticism and he regressed into a jump shooter that can't shoot jumpers. LeBron going to 8 straight finals is very impressive, but we know how terrible the East has been during LeBron's finals reign. The team that came closest from taking out a LeBron lead team was the Doc lead Celtics(I believe it was the one year KG was injured and the team was old). Another reason is that they weren't quite good enough. There were flat out better teams. From 2012-2014, the Spurs were more talented and better coached and the Thunder were more talented. From 2015-A.L.C.(After Lob City), the Warriors became what they are and Lob City declined. The main argument against that is that the Clippers lost to the "better team" maybe twice. The 2012 Spurs were clearly better. The 2014 Thunder were better. The 2013 Grizzlies, 2015 Rockets, 2016 Blazers, and 2017 Jazz WERE NOT BETTER than the Clippers. I blame Doc's coaching. I blame Blake and especially CP for not taking hometown discounts. Why didn't he take a pay cut in order to allow the Clippers to sign more talent? Trading for Austin also destroyed the locker room.
Apr 11, 2018 10:40am
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1. CP0: highest-paid player on the team, biggest ego on the team, dominated the ball more than anyone else on the team, forced us to hire Doc and sign/trade certain players. He wanted to control everything and do things his way, and his way was never good enough to get us past the second round of the playoffs. That includes his epic chokejobs against OKC and Houston. You can't grab for all the power on the team and then not get the majority of the blame when you lose, especially when your play contributes to the losses. It just doesn't work that way.

2. Doc: one of the worst GMs in NBA history, one of the worst coaches in NBA history. I struggle to come up with anything positive he's ever done for the Clippers. His GMing contributed to our playoff failures because of how he destroyed the best bench in the league and squandered any assets we could have used to improve our depth. His coaching contributed because of his stubbornness, inability to make adjustments, and lack of a system on offense and defense.

3. Jamal/JJ: two absolutely useless playoff chokers, but Doc kept playing them and CP0 kept deferring to them anyway.

4. Blake: mostly because of his injuries. Overall, though, he gets way too much blame from casual fans and the media.

Apr 11, 2018 10:52am
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Clippers1121 wrote:

I blame Corey Brewer and Josh Smith for not being garbage players at the exact worse time possible in game six at Staples against Houston.  Definitely should have won that game.  But they took it away from us and the rest is history.

Bingo

 

But that game aside:

1. GM Doc, could have been much better filling out bench and dumb use of first round picks in trades and in draft picks.

2. Blake, lack of leadership, immaturity, freakishly bad durability at the worst times

Apr 11, 2018 11:04am
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Clipps wrote:
2012: Fresh, new team made the playoffs, I don't blame anyone. 2013: Blake getting hurt and VDN wasn't a good coach 2014: The refs were bad, but CP did singlehandedly lose game 4 for us. The Sterling scandal was a major distraction. 2015: I blame everyone for that. Blowing a 3-1 lead and a 20 point lead in game 6 is on everyone. 2016: Blake and CP getting injured at the worst possible time 2017: Blake got hurt. I honestly can't pin point one player. I don't think we should pinpoint one player. Coaches are always the scapegoat, but this is a star driven league and our stars often were hurt. Blake peaked in the 2015 playoffs, and he was amazing. That's why a lot of us are disappointed in him, because we saw what he was capable of, but injuries took Blake's athleticism and he regressed into a jump shooter that can't shoot jumpers. LeBron going to 8 straight finals is very impressive, but we know how terrible the East has been during LeBron's finals reign. The team that came closest from taking out a LeBron lead team was the Doc lead Celtics(I believe it was the one year KG was injured and the team was old). Another reason is that they weren't quite good enough. There were flat out better teams. From 2012-2014, the Spurs were more talented and better coached and the Thunder were more talented. From 2015-A.L.C.(After Lob City), the Warriors became what they are and Lob City declined. The main argument against that is that the Clippers lost to the "better team" maybe twice. The 2012 Spurs were clearly better. The 2014 Thunder were better. The 2013 Grizzlies, 2015 Rockets, 2016 Blazers, and 2017 Jazz WERE NOT BETTER than the Clippers. I blame Doc's coaching. I blame Blake and especially CP for not taking hometown discounts. Why didn't he take a pay cut in order to allow the Clippers to sign more talent? Trading for Austin also destroyed the locker room.

 

Orlando beat Boston and Cleveland in the 2009 playoffs.  Orlando took Lebron's Cavs out.

 

It was game 5 against OKC, not game 4.

 

I'll also add that losing toughness with Evans and Barnes.

 

I'll give credit to the Grizzlies and Jazz, but others may disagree.  The Grizzlies and Clippers have had tough games against each other, as well as blowing the other out on the road too, during that period.

Apr 11, 2018 11:16am
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I also don't think people take into account games 4 and 6 against OKC. 

 

Clippers were lucky to win game 4, as the Thunder lead for the entire game until 1:23 left in the 4th.  Thunder had a double digit lead.  Durant ended up with 8 turnovers in that game.

 

In game 6, the Clippers had a 12 point lead, and ended up trailing by 11 late in the 4th.  A 23 point swing.  That's not even the biggest swing the Clippers have had at home.  In game 3 against the Spurs in 2012, the Clippers had a 22 point lead, and ended up trailing by 13.  A 35 point swing.

 

Clippers have a pattern of allowing big swings against them at home in the playoffs.

 

 

Even though the Clippers won game 4 against OKC and lost game 6, they didn't play well, and the Thunder controlled both games to an extent (early in game 4, late in game 6).

 

The Spurs in 2015 and the Jazz in 2017 have also won multiple games at STAPLES.  The Clippers don't have those kind of wire to wire home playoffs wins.

 

That's why I said game 1 against OKC was the best Clippers playoffs game I've seen.  A wire to wire win at OKC.  I could pull up all of the reactions after game 1, and they were very positive.

Apr 11, 2018 11:59am
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GM Doc in a landslide. He couldn't put any decent role players around the core of that team and when guys were clearly struggling there were no alternatives other than old washed up vets. Imagine those teams with a Harrell or Wallace, not impossible guys to get or anything.