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#5 - Utah Jazz @ LA Clippers

Tuesday, April 25, 2017 - 7:30pm
Apr 24, 2017 10:24am
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Clips -3, O/U 196.5

The Joe Johnson stopper is back.  Austinsanity returns

Apr 24, 2017 12:06pm
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Is he a Joe Johnson stopper? I think Austin is too small to make a difference too, ironically I think Blake would have been our best bet since he can handle his strength the best.

Apr 24, 2017 1:52pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Is he a Joe Johnson stopper? I think Austin is too small to make a difference too, ironically I think Blake would have been our best bet since he can handle his strength the best.

I wouldn't mind trying Bass on him in crunch time, but yeah Blake would've been the best bet.

Apr 24, 2017 2:50pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Is he a Joe Johnson stopper? I think Austin is too small to make a difference too, ironically I think Blake would have been our best bet since he can handle his strength the best.

I'm not sure what's ironic about that, but yes, Blake would be best.

Apr 24, 2017 4:56pm
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Rhy1244 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Is he a Joe Johnson stopper? I think Austin is too small to make a difference too, ironically I think Blake would have been our best bet since he can handle his strength the best.

I'm not sure what's ironic about that, but yes, Blake would be best.

 

May not have been the best use, but I meant ironically in that it's Blake's defense we'd miss most even though that's not necessarily what he's best at or does most for us.

Apr 24, 2017 5:44pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Rhy1244 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Is he a Joe Johnson stopper? I think Austin is too small to make a difference too, ironically I think Blake would have been our best bet since he can handle his strength the best.

I'm not sure what's ironic about that, but yes, Blake would be best.

 

May not have been the best use, but I meant ironically in that it's Blake's defense we'd miss most even though that's not necessarily what he's best at or does most for us.

Ah cool.  

Apr 25, 2017 10:17am
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The thing that hurts us most is Gobert negating DJ's rebounding advantage.  They beat us soundly in rebounding on Sunday night.  Gobert is a huge difference maker on defense too in that we can't get lobs to DJ as easily.  The only chance we have to win tonight is that if our players play much better with the homecourt advantage behind them and that we turn the ball over a lot less than they do.  And try and stay even with them on the boards.

Apr 25, 2017 10:21am
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Clippers1121 wrote:

The thing that hurts us most is Gobert negating DJ's rebounding advantage.  They beat us soundly in rebounding on Sunday night.  Gobert is a huge difference maker on defense too in that we can't get lobs to DJ as easily.  The only chance we have to win tonight is that if our players play much better with the homecourt advantage behind them and that we turn the ball over a lot less than they do.  And try and stay even with them on the boards.

It's going to be tough even with HCA with Utah expecting to have a full squad now........CP3 is going to need to go for about 40 and 15,,,,,,,,

Apr 25, 2017 10:30am
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All we need is an average game from some players who have been playing sub-average, along with a good game from CP3. That means Austin playing playoff-Austin (which can be very good), and Reddick and Crawford just shooting to their average rather than their below-average we've seen so far (except for last game from Crawford) and we should be able to win the game. 

Apr 25, 2017 11:30am
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I think Bass needs to get a shot to see what he can do, I think he can do some on offense to help. I'd be interested to see if he could handle Johnson as well. I'm worried he may not have the foot speed, but he should have the strength.

 

Gotta admit I wasn't that bummed when he picked Utah over us, but mostly because I didn't think he'd help us against Golden State and the Pierce abomination. He's proven that wrong, it's too bad we didn't get half of what he's giving them from Pierce who was dead on arrival.

Apr 25, 2017 11:40am
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If only JJ can play to his norm, we be ok..

Apr 25, 2017 11:45am
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What's JJ's norm? Because you can forget about those regular season averages, he's got a new normal and Ingles is eating his lunch. I saw him do an interview on the postgame after the last game and he looked like a guy who just had gotten his ass beat for 2 and a half hours.

 

It'd be great if he could at least give us a nice first quarter like he's done in regular season games, but he looks shot I'd be surprised if we get too much out of him unless their defense blows a few assignments.

Apr 25, 2017 11:50am
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Make 2-3 jump shots in a row and a couple of nice open 3's.

Apr 25, 2017 12:35pm
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V-Ice wrote:

If only JJ can play to his norm, we be ok..

Unfortunately in the playoffs thats what teams do, they take away a strength and game plan against what you do well.  You just have to find other ways to step up and win games.  Utah is a great defensive team as evidenced in this series even without the Stifle tower but man its going to be tough 4 u guys tonight,  I fully expected CP3 to put the team on his back tonight because a loss tonight is devastating.......

Apr 25, 2017 1:06pm
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For me Redick should almost just operate as a decoy for the rest of the series at this point, just run and run and draw attention, but unless he's wide open don't even really look for him, because they stifling him and forcing turnovers and misses because he is not getting the space and team he needs, he is however enough of threat though that they can't ignore him, so he can at least be used to create space for others.

Apr 25, 2017 1:56pm
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htownfan wrote:

V-Ice wrote:

If only JJ can play to his norm, we be ok..

because a loss tonight is devastating.......

Not really.

Apr 25, 2017 2:01pm
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I don't think we can beat them in Utah without a healthy Blake Griffin.  So we have to win tonight

Apr 25, 2017 2:07pm
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I don't think we can beat them in Utah without a healthy Blake Griffin.  So we have to win tonight

Agreed and for the most part with them being healthy favors them alot as well, especially at home.

Apr 25, 2017 2:18pm
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htownfan wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

I don't think we can beat them in Utah without a healthy Blake Griffin.  So we have to win tonight

Agreed and for the most part with them being healthy favors them alot as well, especially at home.

I mean, we did almost win last game.  With the last game in Utah, if two or three things happen differently, we would have won.  

I don't share your pessimism.  We can totally win.  It isn't like the spread is +12 or something.

Apr 25, 2017 2:59pm
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I don't know about that.  Gordan Hayward was out the whole second half of that game and only scored three points total.  He comes back healthy and playing well we may not even be in the game the fourth quarter.  And they may let Gobert play more minutes.  Truth is we had them last game at 87 to 80 with only six minutes to play.  Our guys totally choked.  Redick, Speights, Mbah a Moute, Crawford all had open looks in the last five minutes and they could not knock down shots.  CP3 was the only guy on the court for us who could actually do anything.  And Joe Johnson just bulled his way into the paint without anybody on the Clippers able to stop him.  And that crowd was just crazy loud and motivating the Jazz on every play.  I just don't think CP3 is getting enough help to win in that situation.  We may have been lucky to have that lead so we at least had a good shot of winning that game.

Apr 25, 2017 3:21pm
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I don't know about that.  Gordan Hayward was out the whole second half of that game and only scored three points total.  He comes back healthy and playing well we may not even be in the game the fourth quarter.  And they may let Gobert play more minutes.  Truth is we had them last game at 87 to 80 with only six minutes to play.  Our guys totally choked.  Redick, Speights, Mbah a Moute, Crawford all had open looks in the last five minutes and they could not knock down shots.  CP3 was the only guy on the court for us who could actually do anything.  And Joe Johnson just bulled his way into the paint without anybody on the Clippers able to stop him.  And that crowd was just crazy loud and motivating the Jazz on every play.  I just don't think CP3 is getting enough help to win in that situation.  We may have been lucky to have that lead so we at least had a good shot of winning that game.

 

Or if Hayward is out there, they go to him instead of Johnson and we actually win because of it. It goes both ways. I think in general he helps them, but he's not exactly been Mr. clutch in the playoffs. He's bricked a lot of shots rather badly against us in big moments. We can win in Utah, I mean it's not the preferred method of going about it but I don't think it's a game where we'd be going in there not believing we could win it. Jamal could have a 30 point game that they can't do anything about who knows.

Apr 25, 2017 3:49pm
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Rhy1244 wrote:

htownfan wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

I don't think we can beat them in Utah without a healthy Blake Griffin.  So we have to win tonight

Agreed and for the most part with them being healthy favors them alot as well, especially at home.

I mean, we did almost win last game.  With the last game in Utah, if two or three things happen differently, we would have won.  

I don't share your pessimism.  We can totally win.  It isn't like the spread is +12 or something.

You know what they say about "almost" and close right?  Almost and close only counts in horseshoes and grenades.  By your same optimism you could have lost the two you did win because they weren't blowouts either.  Sure you can totally win but being down 3-2 I am pretty sure the odds and Vegas will be against you to do it.  Shoot we came back from 3-1 a couple of time so yeah it could be done.

Apr 25, 2017 4:35pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

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I don't know about that.  Gordan Hayward was out the whole second half of that game and only scored three points total.  He comes back healthy and playing well we may not even be in the game the fourth quarter.  And they may let Gobert play more minutes.  Truth is we had them last game at 87 to 80 with only six minutes to play.  Our guys totally choked.  Redick, Speights, Mbah a Moute, Crawford all had open looks in the last five minutes and they could not knock down shots.  CP3 was the only guy on the court for us who could actually do anything.  And Joe Johnson just bulled his way into the paint without anybody on the Clippers able to stop him.  And that crowd was just crazy loud and motivating the Jazz on every play.  I just don't think CP3 is getting enough help to win in that situation.  We may have been lucky to have that lead so we at least had a good shot of winning that game.

 

Or if Hayward is out there, they go to him instead of Johnson and we actually win because of it. It goes both ways. I think in general he helps them, but he's not exactly been Mr. clutch in the playoffs. He's bricked a lot of shots rather badly against us in big moments. We can win in Utah, I mean it's not the preferred method of going about it but I don't think it's a game where we'd be going in there not believing we could win it. Jamal could have a 30 point game that they can't do anything about who knows.

Or they still keep going to JJ because he had already won a game after scoring Utah's last two field goals with the final shot winning game 1 even though Hayward was on the floor.   Pretty sure with the game on the line JJ is going to get the ball to either score or set someone else up for the rest of the series......He is the biggest mismatch for anyone in a Clippers uniform.  Just like you said Heyward hasn't exactly been mr. clutch so why would they give it to him?

Apr 25, 2017 4:45pm
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htownfan wrote:

Rhy1244 wrote:

htownfan wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

I don't think we can beat them in Utah without a healthy Blake Griffin.  So we have to win tonight

Agreed and for the most part with them being healthy favors them alot as well, especially at home.

I mean, we did almost win last game.  With the last game in Utah, if two or three things happen differently, we would have won.  

I don't share your pessimism.  We can totally win.  It isn't like the spread is +12 or something.

You know what they say about "almost" and close right?  Almost and close only counts in horseshoes and grenades.  By your same optimism you could have lost the two you did win because they weren't blowouts either.  Sure you can totally win but being down 3-2 I am pretty sure the odds and Vegas will be against you to do it.  Shoot we came back from 3-1 a couple of time so yeah it could be done.

That's all I'm saying.  

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Apr 25, 2017 5:10pm
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I can't believe how excited I am to have Austin back. He's been our for a long time. I hope he has something left. 

Apr 25, 2017 5:12pm
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htownfan wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

I don't know about that.  Gordan Hayward was out the whole second half of that game and only scored three points total.  He comes back healthy and playing well we may not even be in the game the fourth quarter.  And they may let Gobert play more minutes.  Truth is we had them last game at 87 to 80 with only six minutes to play.  Our guys totally choked.  Redick, Speights, Mbah a Moute, Crawford all had open looks in the last five minutes and they could not knock down shots.  CP3 was the only guy on the court for us who could actually do anything.  And Joe Johnson just bulled his way into the paint without anybody on the Clippers able to stop him.  And that crowd was just crazy loud and motivating the Jazz on every play.  I just don't think CP3 is getting enough help to win in that situation.  We may have been lucky to have that lead so we at least had a good shot of winning that game.

 

Or if Hayward is out there, they go to him instead of Johnson and we actually win because of it. It goes both ways. I think in general he helps them, but he's not exactly been Mr. clutch in the playoffs. He's bricked a lot of shots rather badly against us in big moments. We can win in Utah, I mean it's not the preferred method of going about it but I don't think it's a game where we'd be going in there not believing we could win it. Jamal could have a 30 point game that they can't do anything about who knows.

Or they still keep going to JJ because he had already won a game after scoring Utah's last two field goals with the final shot winning game 1 even though Hayward was on the floor.   Pretty sure with the game on the line JJ is going to get the ball to either score or set someone else up for the rest of the series......He is the biggest mismatch for anyone in a Clippers uniform.  Just like you said Heyward hasn't exactly been mr. clutch so why would they give it to him?

 

I agree that he is the biggest mismatch and now he will be the go to guy, but Gordon's been their guy all year and coaches don't easily go away from that usually. After hitting the game winner in game 1 he had definitely been getting usage in their offense, but he wasn't operating as the clear number 1 option.

 

It's so rare that a number 1 option emerges like this come playoff time I just don't remember many instances of it (Pierce in Washington kindof did the something similar before he got completely washed). It makes sense now given his play and playoff resume, but for instance in game 3 they were operating more through Hayward and Hill.

Apr 25, 2017 6:54pm
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htownfan wrote:

Rhy1244 wrote:

htownfan wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

I don't think we can beat them in Utah without a healthy Blake Griffin.  So we have to win tonight

Agreed and for the most part with them being healthy favors them alot as well, especially at home.

I mean, we did almost win last game.  With the last game in Utah, if two or three things happen differently, we would have won.  

I don't share your pessimism.  We can totally win.  It isn't like the spread is +12 or something.

You know what they say about "almost" and close right?  Almost and close only counts in horseshoes and grenades.  By your same optimism you could have lost the two you did win because they weren't blowouts either.  Sure you can totally win but being down 3-2 I am pretty sure the odds and Vegas will be against you to do it.  Shoot we came back from 3-1 a couple of time so yeah it could be done.

What does a troll do? Goes on message boards for fans of some other team and harshes on anyone being optimistic about their team. 

Apr 25, 2017 7:56pm
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Redick needs to stay within his game.  Run around to get open look and stretch the floor.  Take the shots given to him.  Dont miss defensive assignments.  Don't try to dribble the ball or create shots.  It's those costly turnovers that kills us.  Four / Five points switches for easy baskets on the other.  

If he finally goes off, we'll win by a comfortable margin.

Apr 25, 2017 8:22pm
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Not looking good with this 2nd unit + red dick.
Apr 25, 2017 8:47pm
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Too many wide open looks for the jazz 

Apr 25, 2017 9:21pm
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Damn were losing?? What's wrong now? Not watching game, taking a break from work to check score.

Apr 25, 2017 9:30pm
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Crawford doing his best to lose us the game.

Apr 25, 2017 9:30pm
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Rhy1244 wrote:

htownfan wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

I don't think we can beat them in Utah without a healthy Blake Griffin.  So we have to win tonight

Agreed and for the most part with them being healthy favors them alot as well, especially at home.

I mean, we did almost win last game.  With the last game in Utah, if two or three things happen differently, we would have won.  

I don't share your pessimism.  We can totally win.  It isn't like the spread is +12 or something.

Because that rarely happens
Apr 25, 2017 9:31pm
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It sounds that we are done... Damn... Cancun or Cabo San Lucas?? 

Apr 25, 2017 9:31pm
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Jazz getting much better shots than us. Both teams not scoring that well, Utah seems to just be missing mostly open shots though. Honestly we're lucky to be within 6, they're giving us a chance to hang around

Apr 25, 2017 9:34pm
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Terrible possessions, don't have anyone that can get to the line either

Apr 25, 2017 9:39pm
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Well this feels familiar

Apr 25, 2017 9:41pm
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At least JJ is finally breaking through, will this team not fold mentally this time?

Apr 25, 2017 9:45pm
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CP3 with the tie!

Apr 25, 2017 9:45pm
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Gobert really isn't very good at pick n roll defense. He keeps leaving Paul who is punishing Utah, looks like Chris isn't ready to be dead yet

Apr 25, 2017 9:48pm
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Big defensive plays and some big shots.
Apr 25, 2017 9:53pm
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Don't know if it's his knee, but Gobert's D doesn't impress me too much. He's a liability in the pick and roll, need to keep exploiting that

Apr 25, 2017 9:54pm
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The best game of JJ's playoff life, hope it's enough

Apr 25, 2017 9:56pm
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Yikes, crushing O board. That guy Johnson again with the 3

Apr 25, 2017 9:58pm
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Did any of you even know Joe Johnson played for the Jazz before this series started? I didn't.
Apr 25, 2017 10:08pm
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Jamal plays so weakly. Terrible foul call on Paul on that rebound I don't get it

Apr 25, 2017 10:11pm
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Might want to stay on that Johnson guy

Apr 25, 2017 10:15pm
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Doc needs to stop leaving so many small guys in the game. Why is Felton in with Paul on a play where they have big wings? The threat of the switch is destroying all of the defensive schemes

Apr 25, 2017 10:18pm
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A couple of big offensive rebounds in the final minutes by the Jazz led to a Joe Johnson 3 and Hayward's 2 free throws. 

Apr 25, 2017 10:19pm
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Hayward came up huge on those rebounds, they deserved to win